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Ngelixa esenza ifilimu eMorocco, ndifowunela uSamy Naceri: “Ke Jérôme, ngaba siza kwenza olunye udliwano-ndlebe? Ndinezinto ezininzi zokukuxelela umhlangano ! » Wenziwe waduma ngendima yakhe njengoDaniel Morales kwisaga Tekisi, USamy Naceri wayekufutshane neengqungquthela, ngaphambi kokuba abe namaxesha anzima. Ngoku uneminyaka engama-63, umdlali ugcwele iiprojekthi, zombini kunye nobomi bakhe. Kuphela ngenxa umhlangano, wazityand’ igila ngemicimbi yakhe yangoku, umsebenzi wakhe, ishishini, ubudlelwane bakhe nehlabathi lemiboniso bhanyabhanya, iqabane lakhe elitsha, isicwangciso sakhe somtshato okanye umnqweno wakhe wokwenza. Iteksi 6. Udliwano ndlebe olubuhlungu...
UJérôme Goulon: Molo Samy. Ukuqala, sixelele ngemicimbi yakho yangoku…
USamy Naceri: Ndinemisebenzi emininzi endiyenzayo, kuquka nekaJulian unyana wam oneminyaka engama-30 ubudala. Wabhala, uyalathisa, uyadlala kwaye uvelisa kunye nathi, i-GN Productions, ifilimu yakhe yokuqala, Jack'pales, endiya kuba kuyo nam. Yonke into kufuneka ilungele ukukhululwa ngo-Epreli 2025.
Imalunga nantoni ifilimu?
Ngabahlobo abane abakhule kunye. Abathathu abavela kuluntu lwamaYuda kunye nonyana wam, odlala umlinganiswa ovela kuluntu lwaseMntla Afrika. Leyo yindlela esikhule ngayo ebomini. Utata wayesebenza ubomi bakhe bonke nabantu abavela kwimimandla yamaYuda nakuMntla Afrika. Sakhulela eBelleville naseSaint-Paul, iindawo ezihlala abantu abaninzi abangamaYuda okanye amaSilamsi. Utata wayedla ngokuba namatheko, wayeqhuba iklabhu yebhola ekhatywayo, wayeququzelela imidlalo yamakhadi, kunye nomntu wonke. Yaye mna, nabantakwethu, kuquka uBibi, saphinda savelisa oko wakwenzayo. Sasintywiliselwe kuyo. Asizange sikhuliswe ngobuhlanga okanye ngokugatywa ngabanye njengoko sibona namhlanje. Ngaxa lithile, amaYuda kunye nabemi baseMntla Afrika benza i-400 ihamba kunye.
Eli xesha laxa amaYuda nama-Arabhu ehlikihla amagxa, ngaba liphelile? Ngaba kunzima ngakumbi namhlanje?
Akunzima ngakumbi, kuba ndisenabahlobo abaninzi esisengabahlobo nabo. Kodwa kuyinyaniso ukuba kukho inxalenye yoluntu ngalunye ezivaleleyo ngokwayo. Kwaye kungekudala kakhulu. Itshintshile. Kodwa kum, izihlobo zayizolo ziyafana nezo zanamhlanje.
Ukubuyela kwifilimu, ukhokelwa ngunyana wakho, ngaba kulula okanye kunzima?
Kulula, kuba undazi kakuhle. Uyayazi indlela yokundibuza izinto, yaye ekubeni engunyana wam, ndibandakanyeka ngakumbi. Yimali yethu esemngciphekweni.
Kwiminyaka eyi-10 eyadlulayo, xa izinto zingahambi kakuhle kuwe, wandixelela ukuba ufuna ukubonisa unyana wakho ukuba usafuna. Kwaye namhlanje, nguye okukhokelayo. Ngaba likratshi?
Ewe, ndinebhongo ngokuba ekhokele kwaye ngandlela ithile, uyandodlula, kuba ethwele iminqwazi emine: umlawuli, umlingisi, umgcini-skrini kunye nomvelisi. Kwaye ndiyazingca ngaloo nto, ewe. Silindele ukukhululwa kwefilimu kunye nentlanganiso kunye nababukeli.
Iindaba zakho zityebile kakhulu, kuba nawe ukhokela ifilimu yakho yokuqala…
Ewe, ndilungiselela ifilimu yam yokuqala. Kodwa akukho phambili. Kwafuneka ndizibonakalise kum nakumaqabane am ukuba ndiyakwazi ukuphumeza izinto. Ngoko senza ifilimu yangaphambili yemizuzu eli-19, yaye sincokola namajelo ukuze abe nokusikhapha. Ukusaswa sele kuhambele phambili kakhulu. Ibizwa MDR, ngumdlalo ohlekisayo kwaye usekwe kwibali elifutshane elibhalwe liqabane lam u-Éric Atlan. Yena kunye nomntakwethu uBibi benza uhlengahlengiso kwi-cinema, babhala umdlalo wesikrini, kwaye siyathemba ukuba amaqabane aya kusilandela. Ngamava amatsha kum. Mhlawumbi ndiza kuqondisa kube kanye kuphela, kodwa kuyo nayiphi na imeko, ifilimu yangaphambili ihambe kakuhle kakhulu.
Ngaba ubufuna ukwalathisa ixesha elide?
Hayi, yeza ngolo hlobo. Umntakwethu uBibi wayesoloko ebhalela abanye, nokuba Hamba ngokukhawuleza, Idolophu 13, Ingqondo. Kwaye ke, wabhala ifilimu yakhe yokuqala kuthi, ebizwa Ikrele leDamocles, kunye noNadia Farès, uSamuel Le Bihan, uMoussa Masskri, umntakwethu, unyana wam, iqabane lam kunye nam. Iyadityaniswa ngoku. Umninawa wam walathisa ifilimu yakhe yokuqala, nonyana wam, ngoko ndazixelela ukuba yayilithuba lam.
“Ndenzelwa ukuba ndibe ngumntu ombi kangangeminyaka. Ndidlule kumaxesha anzima, ndagxothwa. »
Kwabo babecinga ukuba ugqibile, awufanga...
Ngokufanelekileyo. Kwaye ndisayifuna kakhulu, ukuba akukho ngaphezulu. Kuninzi okwenzekileyo kwiminyaka yakutshanje. Ndadlala ndangena Izoyikiso kwi-Kermadec, nguBruno Garcia, oye wabetha kwiFransi 2 kunye nababukeli be-6,2 yezigidi. Ndenze enye imuvi yeTV, kungekudala kakhulu, kuthotho Ukubulala e..., ekhokelwa nguJulie Gali. Isihloko sitshintshele ku Iinkumbulo ezicacileyo, isasazwa ngoSeptemba 28 kwiFransi 3. Ngoko ivumba elimnandi. Ndiphinde ndadubula ifilimu eMorocco, ekufuneka ikhutshwe ngoDisemba. Yi Atoman, ilawulwa ngu-Anouar Moatassim, kunye no-L'Artiste, i-rapper, kunye no-Mourade Zeguendi. Yeyokuqala ifilimu yeqhawe laseMntla Afrika.
Sikubonile kulo nyaka kuMnyhadala weFilimu weCannes, ezandleni zeqabane lakho elitsha, uSofia Athéna. Kwakuthetha ntoni kuwe ukubuyela eCannes?
Ndiyakuthanda ukuza eCannes. Kukulungele ukusebenza, kuba udibana nabantu onokuthi ube nobunzima bokudibana nabo enyakeni. Ndikwamthanda kakhulu uThierry Frémaux (umthunywa jikelele weCannes Film Festival, inqaku loMhleli.), nguye owasinika iPalme d’Or Indigènes ngo-2006...
Utshilo ukuba abantu abaninzi bakunikele umva ngaxeshanye. Ngawaphi amakhonkco onawo noshishino lwecinema namhlanje?
Ndinexesha apho, okomzuzwana, "ndandingalawuleki emsebenzini", apho umfanekiso wam wonakala. Igama elihle lokuthetha ukuba "yayiyintsana eyoyikisayo ye-cinema yesiFrentshi", kunye nabalindi bam abancinci kunye nobudenge bam. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba bonke banenkathazo encinci yokulibala oko, ngokungafani nabanye abantu kwi-cinema apho silibala izinto ezimbi ngokukhawuleza. Ndinengxaki encinci kuloo nto. Ndenze ntoni ekugqibeleni? Ndangena kwimilo emibini okanye emithathu, ndathatha i-cocaine encinci kwaye ndachitha ixeshana entolongweni ... Kodwa xa sibona namhlanje okwenzekayo, zonke iifayile eziphuma phakathi kwe-cinema, ngenxa yezinto ezinzulu kakhulu. kunokuba ndenze...
Ucinga ukuba besingekho fair kuwe? Ukhe watyibilika ngamanye amaxesha...
Yinyani. Ekuqaleni, ndazixelela ukuba ngendilumke ngakumbi, ukuba yayiyinto eqhelekileyo ukuba ndihlawule ityala. Kodwa xa ndijonga ngasemva, ndenze ntoni kanye kanye? Ndibulele umntu? Ngaba ndidlwengule, ndixhatshaze ngokwesondo? Hayi ! Ndenza izinto zabantwana... Ndenza amagqabantshintshi okugxeka imifanekiso yonqulo eyayicaphukisa abanye abantu. Ke ewe, kufuneka siyikhusele inkululeko yokuthetha. Kodwa kufuneka siqonde ukuba kukho abantu abahluphekayo kwaye bafuna inkolo ukuba iqhubele phambili yonke imihla, nokuba yinkolo yamaKatolika, yamaSilamsi okanye yamaYuda. Unqulo sisizathu sokuphilela abathile. Kodwa ndenze ntoni ngenye indlela? Bendisoloko ndiqeqeshekile. Xa undicela ukuba ndibephaya ngo-8 ndizokufota, ndikhona ngo-8 ekuseni. Undicela ukuba ndisebenze iiyure ezintathu zexesha elongezelelekileyo, ndiyazenza! Xa ndibona amahlazo esiwafumana namhlanje kwi-cinema nakwezinye izangqa, ndiyingelosi!
Ndicinga ukuba uthetha ngamahlazo ezesondo achaphazela ngakumbi i-cinema…
Ewe. Ngoku ndineminyaka engama-63 ubudala, kwaye ndijonge ngasemva, xa sibona zonke izinto eziphuma kwishishini le-cinema, nakweminye imijikelezo yalo mbandela, ngakumbi ngenxa yenethiwekhi yoluntu, yinto ephambeneyo. Andiphili kwihlabathi elinye nabo. Andinawo amaxabiso afanayo nawo. Yaye yayindim owayethathwa njengentshontsho ledada elibi? Ndinoluvo lokuba wonke umntu onezitshixo ze-cinema akawavuli amehlo, okanye enze ngathi akaboni nto ... Ndenziwa ukuba ndikhangeleke njengendoda embi kakhulu iminyaka. Ndatyhubela kumaxesha anzima, ndagxothwa… Kodwa oh! Xa ndijonga yonke into esiyifumeneyo, vuka! Phofu ndibona ngathi sikhomba ngomunwe lowo sikhethe ukuba ngulomntu ombi emsebenzini. Ivumela abona babolileyo ukuba basebenzise imikhwa yabo ngokuzolileyo. Bekusoloko kukho iibhokhwe zokuphambukisa ingqalelo nokukhusela ezinye.
Ngaba ucinga ngabaphi na abantu abathile?
Ndikhetha ukunganiki magama. Ndithi ndibajongile abantu abandivisa kabuhlungu, namhlanje ngabo aba basokolayo ngokulandelelana. Baya kuqondana. Ke ndicinga ukuba kukho elinye icala elifanelekileyo lezinto kwaye kukho umphathi ophezulu. Ndiqhubeka ndisiya phambili. Namhlanje izinto zibuyele esiqhelweni nokuba abantu basandibekela imiqobo endleleni yam...
Ngaba unawo umzekelo?
Ndidibene neqabane mva nje, elenza iiwotshi ezitofotofo, kwenye iprojekthi eqhubekayo, Ingqondo 2. Ndize nokubekwa kwemveliso, kuba kwifilimu ndidlala i-thug enxibe iiwotshi ezintle. Kodwa ekugqibeleni, ndaxelelwa ukuba kwakunzima ukusayina nam, kuba ndandingenawo umfanekiso ococekileyo, wokuba abanye abantu babesithi ndinogonyamelo. Kodwa ugonyamelo lwantoni? Inoba bendinobundlobongela ngamazwi kodwa ndimhlophe entliziyweni. Abanye, bathetha ngobubele, kodwa bamnyama ezintliziyweni zabo. Kanti ndim lo ndlongondlongo? Siyazi apho bakhoyo, abanobundlobongela… Ngethamsanqa, ibali liphele kakuhle, kuba ndifumene ibhrendi ebalaseleyo ethanda iprojekthi kwaye ewuthanda umsebenzi wam, kwaye badlale kunye...
Uyabaxolela na abo bakunikela umva?
Ndikufumanisa kunzima ukuxolela. Ndineetshomi ezininzi zomgunyathi, ezindikhomba ngeminwe, zindifulathele, zingabikho xa ndizidinga. Baninzi abadlali beqonga okanye abadlali beqonga, andizukubaxela amagama abangakhange bafikelele kum. Baye bandiyeka ndibulawa bugwala kuba besoyika ukuzibonakalisa kum! Lumka ke, andijongi ukuziphindezela, kodwa andizukuhamba nabo utywala. Bahlala endaweni yabo, mna ndihlala kweyam. Amanzi aye ahamba phantsi kweebhulorho. Sabona apho abona babi ngokwenene baphi. Kwaye ndiqhubeka nendlela yam. Kodwa uyayazi ndahlukumezeka kakhulu, ndahlukumezeka kangangokuba andinakuxolela. Ngokundenza ndibandezeleke, babangela ukuba intsapho yam yonke ibandezeleke. Xa uCyril Hanouna wandimemela TPMP!, kwaye ndiyambulela kuba ebesoloko endixhasa, abantu abaninzi beshishini ebendingasenazo iindaba zabo bandibhalela bevuyisana nam bendixelela ukuba ndithethe kakuhle. Kodwa babephi bonke aba bantu xa ndandisentolongweni? Bebeze kundibona kwi visiting room, bathathe umfazi wam baye kwi visiting room? Ngaba bandithumelele inqaku elincinci? Hayi ! Bandifake kwi movie nabo? Hayi. Kwafuneka ndizimele...
Ukutshintsha umxholo, uneqabane elitsha, uSofia Athena. Sixelele kancinci malunga nobudlelwane...
Sadibana kwiminyaka emibini enesiqingatha eyadlulayo, ngomhlobo omnye, one-arhente ebambeleyo kunye nemodeli, kuba sasifuna umdlali weqonga. Sadibana kanye okanye kabini epatini. Yancamathela, saphinda sabonana, sathandana. Uneminyaka engama-28, ndineminyaka engama-63. Ekuqaleni, abantu babethetha, kodwa andikhathali. Ulonwabo lwam ndilubeka phambi kwezimvo zabantu. Kwaye ke ungumntu omdala kwaye ugonyiwe. Ndazazisa kubazali bakhe, abazali bakhe baqinisekisa umanyano lwethu. Ukuba yonke into ihamba njengoko bekucwangcisiwe, mna noSofia siya kutshata. Lo iya kuba ngumtshato wam wokuqala enyanisweni.
Ngoko ungumdlali weqonga?
Usebenza kwiidayimani, wenza iintengiso njengemodeli, kwaye ke udlala imovie yam, MDR, kunye nakwifilimu yomntakwethu, Ikrele leDamocles. Wasimangalisa. Wamangalisa wonke umntu. Siyavuya, yaye ukwakho kulo msebenzi Ingqondo 2. Uyathembisa ngenene kwaye uyakungqina kuthi kwakamsinyane ukuba khange siphazame. Kwaye phezu koko, ungumfazi omkhulu, kwaye ndiqinisekile ukuba uya kuba ngumama obalaseleyo, kuba uyabathanda abantwana.
Ngaba nguwe owathabatha inyathelo lokuqala?
Owu ewe, kunjalo! (Ehleka) Ngokwengxelo, wandinyanzela ukuba ndilinde iinyanga ezintandathu.
Ngaba ngokwenene ulinene?
Ewe, kwakhona, andifani nabanye abantu abacingayo. Kuthiwa andibahloniphi abafazi, ndiyabasokolisa, njl. Kodwa ndikholelwe, ukuba andiziphathanga kakuhle nabasetyhini, imibutho efana no #MeToo ngendingcwabile kudala. Kwaye ndifuna ukuyenza icace, sinethamsanqa namhlanje ukuba nemibutho efana ne-#MeToo, etyhila amabali ebesingasoze siwafunde ngaphambili. Mna mfazi wam ukuba ndiyamthanda yinkosazana yam. Kufuneka abe ngaphezu kwawo onke amanye amantombazana kwaye kufuneka ndiphile ngendlela emfaneleyo.
“Wonke umntu ufuna ngokwenene ukwenza iTeksi 6. UBernard Farcy ushushu, uFrédéric Diefenthal kunye noGérard Krawczyk nabo. Singavuya ukuba uMarion Cotillard unokubuya! Iya kuba yodwa kuthi kunye nababukeli ukuba babe nalo lonke umboniso wokuqala. »
Umbuzo esikubuza ngawo onke amaxesha: ukuzibona kwi Iteksi 6, ngaba ucinga ngayo?
Sikwisiphelo se-a Iteksi 6, kodwa ukuba balinda ixesha elide, kuya kuba kusemva kwexesha. Kufuneka siyenze phakathi kweminyaka emithathu okanye emine ezayo, okanye siwuyeke umcimbi udlule. Okwangoku, uLuc Besson unezinye izinto zokukhathazeka ngazo, unezinye iiprojekthi ezisondeleyo entliziyweni yakhe. Ngoko oku akunakwenzeka okwangoku. Kodwa wonke umntu ufuna ngokwenene ukwenza a Iteksi 6. UBernard Farcy uyatshisa, uFrédéric Diefenthal ushushu, uGérard Krawczyk, umlawuli, ndicinga ukuba naye ushushu. Kwaye mna ngokucacileyo, ndiyabila kushushu ukwenza Iteksi 6 ! Kuninzi okulindileyo, zininzi izicelo...
Ngaba sihlala sithetha nawe ngayo?
Ivela ngalo lonke ixesha. Yifilimu yehlelo, isaga yehlelo, esithanda ukuyibukela kwakhona, njengoLouis de Funès olungileyo. Kwaphawula umsebenzi wam njengomdlali weqonga.
Ngaba le yeyona nkumbulo ilungileyo yomsebenzi wakho?
Enye yezona zibalaseleyo. Dlala indima ephambili kunye noJean-Paul Belmondo, kwifilimu Umdala waseFerchaux, eyakhutshwa ngo-2001, nayo yayiphambene. UBelmondo nguye owandenza ndafuna ukwenza lo msebenzi.
Inyani yokuba sithetha nawe ngalo lonke ixesha malunga nayo Tekisi, ngaba likratshi okanye ekugqibeleni likruqula?
Ayindikhathazi! UJean-Paul Belmondo undixelele ngeeTaxi d'ailleurs. Ngo-2001, wandixelela ukuba abantu bathetha naye ngalo lonke ixesha Pierrot le fou, yaye mna ndandilindele ukuba abantu bathethe nam ubomi bam bonke ngale filimu Tekisi. Kwaye wayenyanisile. Iyimpumelelo enkulu, iye yawela izizukulwana, inqumla onke amazwekazi. Kwiintsuku ezimbalwa ezidlulileyo, ndandiseArmenia kunye noSofia, kwaye babeka ikhekhe ngomfanekiso wam kunye neteksi kwigumbi lethu lehotele. Bade badlala imuvi kumabonakude egumbini. Bandamkele ngegorha, kumnandi ke oko.
Si Iteksi 6 ubona ukukhanya kwemini, ngaba kunokwenzeka ukuyenza kunye noMarion Cotillard? Ngaba unxibelelana naye?
Andisenalo unxibelelwano oluninzi noMarion Cotillard. Asizange sabonana kakhulu, nangona ndandiseLos Angeles. Kodwa ukuba imveliso ifuna uMarion, iya kuqinisekisa ukufikelela kuye, emva koko umnike iskripthi kwaye ubone ukuba uyafuna na ukuyenza kwakhona ukuze wonwabe. Andazi ukuba ukwimeko enjani Tekisi. Mhlawumbi akanamdla njengoFrédéric Diefenthal okanye mna. Andazi…
Iseyindima eyamenza waziwa...
Ewe, yinyani, kodwa waqhubeka, waqhuma kunye Umntwana, kuba ungumdlali weqonga obalaseleyo. Waphela eLos Angeles, watyelela eyona inkulu. Kodwa singavuya ukuba uMarion Cotillard ubuyile Iteksi 6 ! U-Luc Besson unomlingo wokubhala, kwaye ndiqinisekile ukuba angabuyisela umlingo ebomini. Iya kuba yodwa kuthi kunye nababukeli ukuba babe nalo lonke umboniso wokuqala. Oko kuya kuba yi-icing kwikhekhe!
Ndibone kwiintanethi zakho ukuba ukhusela imbethi manqindi yase-Algeria u-Imane Khelif ngexesha le-Olimpiki. Uphumelele igolide, kodwa wagxekwa ngabanye abathi uyindoda. Inkcazo?
Enyanisweni, lishishini njengesiqhelo. Ngethamsanqa umongameli we-IOC ungqinisise ngo-A+B ukuba ngumfazi, kuba kusoloko kukho izityhakala ezimbini okanye ezintathu ezikhona ukuzama ukumthoba kuba engowaseMntla Afrika. Kwaye ndiyavuya, kuba uyifumene imbasa yegolide. Ilungile kwiAlgeria. Ngaba uyayiqonda indlela abahambe ngayo? Uyise wanyanzelwa ukuba abonise isiqinisekiso sokuzalwa sentombi yakhe. Iintatheli zaya ekhayeni lakhe eAlgeria. Utata wakhe waphantse walila, wachaza ukuba wayemkhulise nzima, kuba babengenamali ingako. Ubomi bunzima apho. Bahlala eBled apho usapho lwam lonke lwazalelwa khona, kwicala likatata, ngoko ke ndibazi kakuhle. Into endikhathazayo kukuba isoloko ingabemi baseMntla Afrika okanye amaSilamsi ngawona ahlala ehleli. Umchasi wakhe kumdlalo wokugqibela wayekwimeko efanayo naye, kwaye sathetha ngayo kancinci…
Ekugqibeleni, esinye isiqwenga seendaba esaphawula ihlobo: ukusweleka kuka-Alain Delon ngo-Agasti 18. Uye wakuphefumlela ndicinga...
Bendithetha nawe ngeBelmondo ngaphambili, kodwa uJean Gabin, uLino Ventura noAlain Delon nabo babeyimizekelo kum. Ezi ziifilim ezifana Intsapho yaseSicilian owandenza ndafuna ukwenza lo msebenzi. Ke kuAlain Delon, uxolo emphefumlweni wakhe, nokomelela kubantwana bakhe abathathu…